30 7 / 2014
chandlermuriellbing said: You're fucking racist as shit
am i ? i don’t think so. i am rather trying to understand the us-american debate that arises around race, culture and racism. its a pretty new concept for me after all, as this topic is treated very differently in europe.
so instead of simply calling me a “racist” you could explain why you think i am.
26 6 / 2014
Do you know how badly I want the US to win a World Cup like a country that doesn’t even care at all about soccer and then we win and just put the cup in some closet somewhere do you know how annoyed other countries would be I want so badly to win
FIRST OF ALL IT’S FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER
See what I mean? They care so much.
This annoys me so hard. Why do you have a word like “AMERICAN football” if you call the “RESTOFTHEWORLD football” “Soccer” ?
This makes no sense!
22 6 / 2014
cissexiest said: Actually, gun crime in Australia has gone up (as have arrests), its not reported on because mass shootings aren't a problem, and they're not shown on the news, which doesn't propagate the continuation of copycat crimes. Gun arrests are regularly made in Australia. Just read an article about New South Wales. Gun control hasn't solved gun crime. The media has a lot more to blame for putting this on the news for a month after it happens and then wondering why it happens again.
Let’s get down to it.
First of all, you’re absolutely right. Mass shootings aren’t a problem in Australia, BECAUSE WE FUCKING GOT RID OF THEM. The following is a table of data which I have annotated with some information on the 14 years since we implemented gun reform, and the 14 years leading up to that (source).
This is literally the only thing I need to look at to be convinced that gun reform is a good idea. But I will continue anyway. Also I should mention that the 2002 Monash University shooting is not included on this list (which I just discovered another anon has pointed out to me, thanks for keeping me on the ball). I presume this is because “only” 2 people were killed and that didn’t meet some kind of definitional threshold. Additional reviews and further policies were put in place after that 2002 event because, you know, we actually do something about this kind of stuff. We are not claiming that gun control measures will erase all problems, we are claiming that we have had one major issue in 14 years and not 74 in 18 months.
You’ve mentioned an issue with media coverage and copycat crimes. I do agree with you that this is an issue and that media outlets should attempt to reduce some of their coverage so we can avoid further copycat crimes. However, gun crime and mass shootings are not regularly covered here on the news in Australia. This is for two reasons. Firstly, as I’ve just established, it simply doesn’t happen so there is nothing to report on. Secondly, the major problem we have with gun crime in Australia at the moment is between bikie gangs and drug dealers, not random shootings of civilians. Gangs and outlaws are always going to have their issues and there is nothing much we can do about that and I struggle to care less about what they do to each other. It’s when this violence encroaches on regular citizens that it becomes a problem and that is when it is reported on. And it is happening, and I assure you there is coverage about them all.
If you think decent gun rates are just some special Australian thing and would not be possible in America, you’re terribly wrong. Literally just look at the country and you will see that reduced gun ownership provides a lower gun death rate. This is a pretty damning graph to be honest (source):
Next: “Gun crime in Australia has gone up” - I’m not sure which statistics you’re looking at, but here’s a couple more graphs. First up we have annual US gun deaths per 100,000 people (by any means, not necessarily homicide). If you can’t see the info very well, it averages around 10.3 and shows no trend of going anywhere.
Now we have Australia. I’ve marked on here the 1997 introduction of gun control laws, and since that time there has been about a one-third reduction in gun death rates. And see what happened in the first two years? A more than 40% reduction in gun rates over the first two years of increased gun control.
The above graphs were found here. Before someone points out that Australia’s gun deaths were decreasing before the controls anyway, you raise a good point. Our gun death rate was decreasing without extensive controls in place. Some people also point to other countries like New Zealand and Canada who have lower death rates without such restrictive laws in place. Which means if your country does have a problem and it isn’t decreasing then you should probably try and do something about it.
Additionally, here’s the analysis I did on the year-over-year trends in reduction, and what you’ll notice here is not much of a trend at all. In fact, statistically there is actually a very slight increase in the trend, meaning that the fractional decrease is getting slightly smaller each year. We can attribute this to the fact there is only so much we can get rid of, and once we eliminate more and more we will get down to the stuff (bikie gangs etc. that I mentioned earlier) that just isn’t practical to eliminate.
See what I’ve circled there? That’s the massive drops in death rates immediately after new gun reforms have been introduced (1997 and 2003). And don’t bother latching onto the few years that showed increases to make some kind of point, 11 out of the 14 years since gun reform was introduced showed a decrease in gun death rates.
And for some final points to add, you’re yet again absolutely right. Gun arrests are regularly made in Australia. This is true. BECAUSE GUNS ARE CONTROLLED NOW AND WE ARE GETTING RID OF THEM. Also, gun control hasn’t solved gun crime. You’re right. And no law should ever be put into place unless it 100% solves every problem we face. So I’m glad you don’t have gun control, because since it simply can’t fix everything, WHAT’S THE GODDAMN POINT.
If you’re looking for more stats on the issue of gun crimes and crime as a whole, there’s a few other ones that I haven’t included due to them being a bit older. Try this one with notable figures including the 2002 US murder by firearms rate being 10 times higher than that of Australia, and the only first world country in the top 20. Or this publication on a heap of changes in Australian crime including information on type of death and weapon category.
This has been a post by me and it’s now 4:30am and I’m angry and tired and fed up with people that think there isn’t an issue with guns and that we don’t need to do anything about it.
I recently accidentally instigated a debate on my Facebook over gun control in the United States, and it astounded me how completely uninformed people are, and how much they (excuse the expression) stick to their guns, no matter how wrong they actually are.
My good friend thebabbagepatch went on a little tirade that I very much appreciate.
i don’t even know why we are even discussing this. the united states of america are the only civilized country with almost no restrictions on buying and owning weapons, and altough not a single country in the world (except countries in constant state of civil war and such…) has that much gun deaths, those nutheads are still trying to “discuss” how gun control doesn’t change anything.
In Austria, of about 8 millionen inhabitants, about 400.000 legally own a gun, while we still have some unregistered guns, there are 2.5 millionen (!) guns per capita. So we have 30 guns for every 100 people in my country. Still we only had ONE MASS SHOOTING SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR TWO. Because gun ownership is tight as hell.
18 6 / 2014